7.24.2010

Josh, Land Rovers, and the "Numbers Game".

Ever walked away from an experience just demoralized at the state of the sales person on the other end of the deal.  It’s a reminder to not “be that guy”…

Here is my story — the email I sent back to the sales guy:

——–

Josh,

This is a horrible sales process.  I am not sure if it is incompetence or if you are intentionally trying to “dupe” me.  I am assuming the former.

Here is what happened:

I went to your site looking for pricing on the the following vehicle you had advertised online:

When I clicked through to the link, I saw the following information:

I was impressed that you might be willing to offer me an “ePrice” that was lower that advertised, so I took the bait and clicked through.

So my guess was right, if I traded you my email address, you would send me a lower price and and have access to my personal information for future specials or other “what not” that you could mass email market to me.

For me, having a cheaper price was important enough to trade you my personal email address.  Who  knows — maybe you have some offers to send me that might be of interest when I buy another car.  My primary car has just at 100,000 miles right now, and I’m starting to look around.

But, back to the topic.  I filled out the form and was excited that the feedback indicated that you would be providing me a better price.

So I went to my email and refreshed.  I figured that you might have a built-in 10% discount (or something like that) that you would automatically send to me.

I was eager to get a slightly cheaper price so I pushed the refresh button — once, twice, maybe three times (I forget exactly).

I started to get a little annoyed, but then I thought, “Wait a minute.  Maybe this isn’t automated.  Maybe they are really working to reduce the price of this vehicle for me.  (I was a little chagrined that I had thought badly of you guys.  After all, this is the South, and hospitality is our specialty…)

But I digress.  A few hours later I got an email from you or your team…  Not sure.    (Not sure if you’ve read this recently.)

That’s OK.

I started reading it.  I was actually skimming it pretty fast to find out what type of discount I could expect.

I didnt’ see any numbers so I honed in on a few paragraphs to see if maybe I had lost track of the reason for this email.

I re-read item #3 about you giving me the best pricing “up front” and then in a “should I be annoyed…. what is going on?” state of mind, I decided to wait for you to contact me.

And soon thereafter you did.  This is what you sent me:

I have to come in to see you instead of getting a lower ePrice?

I feel duped.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt and you took my attention for granted.  Now I feel like a fool.

I know it’s a “numbers game”  and I am just a number.  But I think you could easily improve your numbers.

  1. Think outside the box.
  2. Be genuine.
  3. Treat me like the individual buyer that I am.

I wanted to buy something from you and you pushed me away.  That’s not the way to generate more revenue…

Dan Waldschmidt

——–

Before you jump on Josh’s case, think about what you did last week.

Who did you help halfway?

It’s a lesson for all of us.  Don’t be that seller.

You won’t find many buyers…

–An UPDATE–

This morning I got this email from the Sales Manager at the dealership.

It has the “right language”.  Right? It’s just more of the same.

And when your buyer is skeptical and annoyed to start with, more “emails” like this don’t really work.

–ANOTHER UPDATE–

My “good” friend at Big O’ sent me another email.  Does this sound believable?  Am I really going to buy a car from these guys…..  ever….. ever?

This is the problem with “sales automation” — in the wrong hands, it builds an army of raving enemies.  It’s lazy and sloppy and horribly out of touch with the reality of my buying a car.

Shouldn’t we be building more trust?

–STILL ANOTHER UPDATE–

Despite the prior drama, the marketing team at Big O decided to actually try to sell me a car for 60 days. I sent and email asking to unsubscribe.  At a certain point it all becomes a little surreal.  I’m not going to buy anything, just stop pestering me…

–STILL ANOTHER, ANOTHER UPDATE–

I get an email with a signature from Josh but a reply-to from “Rusty” asking if they were being a pest.  I sent a short email just asking that they remove me from all further communication.

This saga started as naive and impersonal and then graduated to another degree of sales insanity.

–AND ANOTHER, ANOTHER UPDATE–

…no words to say…

If I get more emails, I will keep them to myself.  Enough is enough.

I hope you get the point:

You can’t pre-package empathy.

Do unto buyers as you would like to be sold to….


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  • http://www.kesconsultinggroup.com GlennBourquin

    Auto dealers are struggling to catch up with a shift in the way consumers shop for cars. I heard a fella say about 6 months ago “The Internet has landed smack between our dealerships and our customers.” About 90% of people look online for information when buying a car now.
    At first, I was glad to see that the coupon worked. I think e-price coupons are a great site conversion tool and have used them with good results. There is a traditional attitude at many dealerships to treat internet leads as non-human and automate interactions until they come on the lot or call and become a “real” buyer. It’s a tough adjustment for many, becoming more of an information provider. They should not only send you the “e-price” on that vehicle but offer a couple alternatives as well. When a website does it’s job and properly converts a lead, that lead is a human. That’s an opportunity to strike up a conversation. In this case, a lost one.

    • http://www.DanWaldschmidt.com/ Dan Waldschmidt

      Glenn,

      Thanks for stopping by and the great comment.

      You brought some amazing analysis. Weird now we run from accountability.

      This could have been handled waaaaaaaaay differently. I could have become a raving fan with a different attitude from Josh. Out of 20 web pages (or so) that I visited, that one was the only one that I actually clicked on.

      The E-Price coupon was great lead gen. It just backfired when I realized that I was being played. :-)

      It’s a lesson that I try to keep top-of-mind…

      Dan

      p.s. Thanks for stopping by…

      • http://www.kesconsultinggroup.com GlennBourquin

        Dan,

        I don’t think Josh’s attitude is the issue here. Josh is just following a broken process put in place. Management is accountable (Rusty) for this process. It’s a time of drastic change in the automotive sales process and the way people shop for vehicles. Change = opportunity or threat. Many managers see mostly threat from the internet. Can you believe that some managers don’t want to quote ANY prices over the net? Meanwhile, they’ll stare out at the lot and wonder where all the customers went.
        Big O has seen it’s fair share of tragedy in recent years and I hope that somebody over there can figure things out soon. There is great opportunity right now for dealerships who are willing to make bold changes.

        • http://www.DanWaldschmidt.com/ Dan Waldschmidt

          I think I agree with you, Glenn. I also push back that regardless of the sales manager in place, individual team members have a choice to treat “leads” with respect. That’s what our mother’s taught us.

          You are right that car sales reps need to be much better trained and much better incentivised. We reward for the close rather than the experience. That creates a culture of crazy sport coats and cheesy 1-liners instead of empathy, honesty, and intelligent debate.

          Dan

          p.s. I will be talking about this Saturday morning at 9AM on 94.5 FM. Join in the discussion. Let’s talk about it.

  • http://www.DanWaldschmidt.com/ Dan Waldschmidt

    Glenn,Thanks for stopping by and the great comment. You brought some amazing analysis. Weird now we run from accountability. This could have been handled waaaaaaaaay differently. I could have become a raving fan with a different attitude from Josh. Out of 20 web pages (or so) that I visited, that one was the only one that I actually clicked on.The E-Price coupon was great lead gen. It just backfired when I realized that I was being played. :-)It's a lesson that I try to keep top-of-mind…Danp.s. Thanks for stopping by…

  • http://www.kesconsultinggroup.com GlennBourquin

    Auto dealers are struggling to catch up with a shift in the way consumers shop for cars. I heard a fella say about 6 months ago “The Internet has landed smack between our dealerships and our customers.” About 90% of people look online for information when buying a car now.
    At first, I was glad to see that the coupon worked. I think e-price coupons are a great site conversion tool and have used them with good results. There is a traditional attitude at many dealerships to treat internet leads as non-human and automate interactions until they come on the lot or call and become a “real” buyer. It's a tough adjustment for many, becoming more of an information provider. They should not only send you the “e-price” on that vehicle but offer a couple alternatives as well. When a website does it's job and properly converts a lead, that lead is a human. That's an opportunity to strike up a conversation. In this case, a lost one.

  • http://www.kesconsultinggroup.com GlennBourquin

    Auto dealers are struggling to catch up with a shift in the way consumers shop for cars. I heard a fella say about 6 months ago “The Internet has landed smack between our dealerships and our customers.” About 90% of people look online for information when buying a car now.
    At first, I was glad to see that the coupon worked. I think e-price coupons are a great site conversion tool and have used them with good results. There is a traditional attitude at many dealerships to treat internet leads as non-human and automate interactions until they come on the lot or call and become a “real” buyer. It's a tough adjustment for many, becoming more of an information provider. They should not only send you the “e-price” on that vehicle but offer a couple alternatives as well. When a website does it's job and properly converts a lead, that lead is a human. That's an opportunity to strike up a conversation. In this case, a lost one.

  • http://www.DanWaldschmidt.com/ Dan Waldschmidt

    Glenn,

    Thanks for stopping by and the great comment.

    You brought some amazing analysis. Weird now we run from accountability.

    This could have been handled waaaaaaaaay differently. I could have become a raving fan with a different attitude from Josh. Out of 20 web pages (or so) that I visited, that one was the only one that I actually clicked on.

    The E-Price coupon was great lead gen. It just backfired when I realized that I was being played. :-)

    It's a lesson that I try to keep top-of-mind…

    Dan

    p.s. Thanks for stopping by…

  • Hank Merkle

    Don’t be surprised – I took my 2001 Chrysler in for service – they told me I needed a water pump and numerous things totaling $1789!!! I told them the car is only worth ~$4,000 so I paid the service fee ($99!!!! – but I knew that up front I’m not complaining other than the high amount)
    A friend told me of a small mechanic in Greer (ready for the plug) One Horse Auto on Locust Hill Road – he found a small leak into the heater core, fixed the clamp or the hose, what ever for $60 woo hoo!
    By the way, it’s back in the shop for another problem so I am really glad I didn’t drop $1700 with Big O rip-off!
    My advice – don’t go there – you’ll be happy you didn’t!

    • http://www.DanWaldschmidt.com/ Dan Waldschmidt

      Customers talk.

      Amazing how we imagine that we can talk down to our customers and they “have” to come back and buy from us.

      I am baffled (somewhat confused) by this own predicament. It’s like beating a dog and then wondering why it runs away when you whistle…

      Dan

  • Hank Merkle

    Don't be surprised – I took my 2001 Chrysler in for service – they told me I needed a water pump and numerous things totaling $1789!!! I told them the car is only worth ~$4,000 so I paid the service fee ($99!!!! – but I knew that up front I'm not complaining other than the high amount)A friend told me of a small mechanic in Greer (ready for the plug) One Horse Auto on Locust Hill Road – he found a small leak into the heater core, fixed the clamp or the hose, what ever for $60 woo hoo! By the way, it's back in the shop for another problem so I am really glad I didn't drop $1700 with Big O rip-off!My advice – don't go there – you'll be happy you didn't!

  • http://www.DanWaldschmidt.com/ Dan Waldschmidt

    Customers talk. Amazing how we imagine that we can talk down to our customers and they "have" to come back and buy from us.I am baffled (somewhat confused) by this own predicament. It's like beating a dog and then wondering why it runs away when you whistle… Dan

  • http://www.kesconsultinggroup.com GlennBourquin

    Dan,I don't think Josh's attitude is the issue here. Josh is just following a broken process put in place. Management is accountable (Rusty) for this process. It's a time of drastic change in the automotive sales process and the way people shop for vehicles. Change = opportunity or threat. Many managers see mostly threat from the internet. Can you believe that some managers don't want to quote ANY prices over the net? Meanwhile, they'll stare out at the lot and wonder where all the customers went.Big O has seen it's fair share of tragedy in recent years and I hope that somebody over there can figure things out soon. There is great opportunity right now for dealerships who are willing to make bold changes.

  • http://www.DanWaldschmidt.com/ Dan Waldschmidt

    I think I agree with you, Glenn. I also push back that regardless of the sales manager in place, individual team members have a choice to treat "leads" with respect. That's what our mother's taught us.You are right that car sales reps need to be much better trained and much better incentivised. We reward for the close rather than the experience. That creates a culture of crazy sport coats and cheesy 1-liners instead of empathy, honesty, and intelligent debate.Danp.s. I will be talking about this Saturday morning at 9AM on 94.5 FM. Join in the discussion. Let's talk about it.

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